Comments on: Patch 3.1 (and 3.2) PvE Holy Paladin Talents

By: Tristram

Tristram — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:32:10 +0000

People Keep mentioning that the devotion Aura Talent is redundant if you actually bother to read a talent it states that it “Increases the amount healed on any target affected by ANY AURA by 6%” When creating a guide please make sure you read all the talents. Thus making that Talent crucial and should never be ignored.

By: Randy

Randy — Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:36:00 +0000

Hi their, i have a few questions, i would like to say first that i have been playing a holy pally since it was released in BC for horde. I have played one on Ally before BC but not as much as i did in BC. Now Since that moment i have enjoyed Paladin healing. But the talents i got a few questions. 1. Do we now really need to take Imp BoW? for the fact you will 99% of the time have a shaman in your raid and his totem over rides the buff? wouldn’t the stock buff be fine? 2. I have always taken Arua mastery, why do most raiders don’t? Its worth it on many fights in ICC. 3. Shouldn’t we take Imp Con Arua? im not to sure about the silence deal and other classes, imo i think its a nice filler. With that being said would this build http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=2&tal=053501503000130531005152215000000000000000000000000005230050000000000000000000 you think be worth it? It is the same 51/5/15 build just re assigned some.

By: yoyo

yoyo — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:04:24 +0000

One last thing 51/5/15 FTW:)

By: yoyo

yoyo — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:02:18 +0000

On another note , yes if a fight lasts for more than 7 minutes which hard fights in icc do last longer, i rather take my chances on more crit because when you theroycraft, you will notice how the higher crit you have the more percentage of your heals crit more which reduce your mana consumptions, which lets you heal for alonger time with more potency, because in certain fights a pal healer with 40 percent crit and another with 58 percent can mean life or death for a tank. for poeple that melle to get mana back, i beleive you do so because you have not perfected the art of maximizing your mana, or your raid healers are not pulling their weight, or maybe even worse healers are overlaping eachothers heals, which is the number one reason why the tanks sometimes dies and poeple dont know what happened. just because your a holy pala doesnt mean you just spam holy light and try to maintain the tanks health, as a healer it is up to you to be able to read your raid and study boses so you can expect what type of damage coming from what boss or add, so in my conclusion i once again reinforce that it is your style of play that you are comfortable with that didtates what kind ofspec you want to heal as. if you overlap heals all the time i would suggest to go dps or tank, because i have been sick and tired of listening to poeple that say omg too much to heal im going oom, let me respec and maybe ill help reduce damage, that is total non sense, coordination between healers and good communications is what ables you to perform well as a healer. so play your game dont let others dictate how you want should play, and if your killing boses and everything is good there is no need to respec. i wish you all a pleasant day:)

By: yoyo

yoyo — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:52:39 +0000

Hi, on behalf of the arguments on which build is better, it all depends on your latency, raid setup, and ofcourse your playing style. first of all i would like to say that i have been using 51/5/15, and my offspec is 51/20/0. iv been in many raid setups in 25 man icc where i used the crit rather than the prot tree, and i always came on top of healing with my tanks, and when looking over the healing meter, i was 3rd in overheals and my hps was more than all the healers exept for a druid healer. talking about ds/ds, yes it does reduce damage, but if you have good healers in your guild it does not do much, when in along fight, the extra crit gives back extra mana, i have never melled with seal of wisdom, and i have never had mana problems. even with lich king 25 man, it runs pretty smoothly. many pallies try to tell you ya use the libram of renewal and use seal of wisdom and so you can get mana, but for the love of god, you a re apally with trinket, avenging wrath, t10 set bonus and macros never make you go oom.even if you spam holy light on tanks, you still cant go oom with all the benfits that the raid gives, plus if you have excellent raid healers that damage absorbtion is not necessary. Like i have mentioned it is your style of play,raid set up, and how effectivly you can heal. you can choose any setup and still do well. but crit equals mana and mana equals more heals, and crit makes your heals larger, and your mana pool lasts longer that is common sense. ya if you have 40 percent crit that nice, but if u have 50 percent crit that means your only spending around 650 mana every 1.2 secnds while dealing over 30k holy lights as minimum. so i do agree with the admin , take the dvinity and rest in ret tree, you will notice without needing to melle you can do any boss in icc and heal it as good as any class while keeping the tanks alive, and stil have so much mana left.im sitting at 35k unbuffed mana, i am the most undergeared healer in the guild, yet i am able to utilize my mana and heal effectivly at the same time. bottom line if you are really good at what you do dont listen to others because play style is like personalities not all of us are the saem:)

By: Stubb

Stubb — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:16:16 +0000

A paladin build in the ret tree is viable for 5-mans or raid encounters that have no mechanics whatsoever. But for fights such as Rotface,Festergut and Putricide… Getting DS/DG and RF in the prot tree is verly appealing. If you pick up improved LOH and Aura Mastery, that is 3 different occasions that you can reduce raid/tank dam significantly and make it easier on the other raid healers. And if you’re doing ICC and are going oom, maybe you should stick to totc25/ badge gear until you can handle it.. 3000sp from uld. gear lol… you’re funny.

By: Bëllë

Bëllë — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:18:58 +0000

Hiya guys although I do agree with a lot of what is posted I thought I would post my spec as it is a bit different than most here. I have a mana pool of close to 30k (25 man buffed), and SP of over 2700. I rarely (if ever) go oom and I do not generally attack. So look my spec over (if you dare) 54/5/12 and gimmie a shout

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kargath&cn=B%C3%ABll%C3%AB&gn=Sleep+Walkers

Happy Holidays to you all!

By: Rexxus

Rexxus — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:46:40 +0000

oops didnt click infusion of light twice. thats the 52nd point.

By: Rexxus

Rexxus — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:39 +0000

Each specific spec will vary in effectiveness based on whether you’re raiding or doing 5 mans, and who else is in the raid.

I get the most satisfaction from this build (52/4/15):
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin#i4j484c2rItIO,k86R3O,10505

Its good for raid and 5 mans. It has no conditional talents. They are all useful all of the time. It doesn’t matter who else is in the raid or if you’re doing 5 mans. You can HL spam or FoL spam.

By: Hairylarry

Hairylarry — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:56:38 +0000

Nobody plays paladin healers as paladins. Everyone plays paladin healers as priests, standing far back from the action, avoiding damage and debuffs. Plate armor makes it possible, and [Seal of Wisdom] makes it desirable, to melee for vast amounts of mana gains. [Unyielding Faith], [Improved Concentration Aura], [Pure of Heart], and [Stoicism], make it possible to perform healing duties in the face of debuffs by reducing the duration of Fear, Disorient, Silence, Interrupt, Curse, Disease, Poison, AND Stun effects by 30%. It is awesome to come out of boss stun or fear before the boss resumes attacking, and having a moment or two to catch up on whatever is the immediate priority. The incredible amount of mana from Seal of Wisdom allows the holy paladin to be generous and even willingly wasteful with Holy Light and Holy Shock. I have amazed my groups many times with my mana longevity on long fights, such as when we 3 manned heroic Cyanigosa (heroic violet hold) when our tank deliberately dc’d. Paladins are reputed to have half the heal aggro of other healers, and i NEVER pull aggro by healing even though I do not benefit from the range modifier, due to being shoulder to shoulder with the tank. So if you have guts and like having 90%+ mana at all times, go 56/8/7 or 56/8/whatever and get in there, melee like the plate wearer you are, splash heals around like water, help your group by doing some dps, raise the excitement factor by 350%, and impress your group by not going oom on the longest, toughest fights.