Comments on: Is 10-man Ulduar difficult for Holy Paladins?

By: Cindior

Cindior — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:56:47 +0000

Recently we have added a Intel stacking Holy pal into our guild and I have ran Uld with him and have even enter the new instance with him. I have seen him jump to the top of the healing and then sky rocket up into the over healing charts. You say you end fights with little over half your mana well a non intel stacker who knows how to play his CDs can also end a fight with half or even full mana. I have gone threw a fight with some none healing gear on and still was healing effective (top of the charts 30%) and little over 3/4 mana. Those who have played holy paladin longer have noticed ways to be efficiant heals and not have huge mana pools and spam holy light. And so what if you can two man heal a boss fight having the whole group alive at the end is more important then downing a boss and having to worry if that one dps who died might cost you the fight, But for my last note those who don’t just cast HL I give you props for not having a one track mind.
my rotation (start with HS then follow with spam flash and HL “IF” tanks needs)

By: holypally

holypally — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:12:54 +0000

In my opinion, most of these posts here talking about holy light spamming is the only way to heal are the ones that are the healing meter trolls that want to see themselves at the top of the list over those HoC priests. To be honest yes holy light spamming is key to some boss fights like 25 man Iron Council for the tank with the big guy but for those who are the ones that are close minded, you don’t need to do that for every fight and mob. Who cares who’s on top of the healing meter…the question is, “is everyone living in the raids with your ‘LEET’ heals?” If the question is no, well GG on top meter heals doesn’t prove much. My assumptions as being a holy pally myself is that if people would stop focusing on meters for healing and rather the question of, “is everyone in the raid staying alive?” If more people use that then you would see more people stop focusing on HL and seeing that if used correctly FL works just as well for some usual fights.

To sum this all up:
HL spamming doesn’t help you all the time.

You need to rethink your mentality as a Pally healer if you are one of those meter trolls.(I don’t mind being 2nd or 3rd on the healing meter if everyone is still alive and little to no wipes then I think I did my job as a healer)

FL works just as well as HL if you use it correctly and in the right situations. (I find myself usually spamming FL and throwing in the occaisional HL when the tank is suffering from it.)

By: Au

Au — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:36:06 +0000

And by the way, both of us gem for intellect.

By: Au

Au — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:32:29 +0000

The short answer is no. I full cleared it with only two healers, both holy pallies, and did the heartbreaker achievement also with that set up.

By: greatfal

greatfal — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:49:51 +0000

i agree with most,
To keep up mana I rotated HS, HL, HL and repeat the cycle.
I just do this because of ‘Infusion of Light’. the only think i have problems with is that i’m currently lowest on healing done.
When we run ulduar 25 man we mostly have 2 resto druid, 1 holy priest, 1 resto shaman and 1 holy paladin. (this isn’t always the set up).

also a great trinket is Darkmoon Card: Greatness.
when you have a big pool of mana this really rocks. if you use divine plea whenever the trinket procs you will never go below 50% mana, the mana returned by divine plea is really insane. it also increase you SP, and crit

By: Alberoth

Alberoth — Fri, 29 May 2009 15:40:29 +0000

I have stacked Int and SP to the point where I have about 1100 int and close to 2200 sp.

The guild that I am in, use me constantly as a tank healer with a couple of other imba raid healers on 10 and 25 man raids.

My primary spell for healing is Flash of Light with HL thrown in if the tank takes a pretty heavy hit but I can quite happily sit there and spam FoL for the entire fight healing for between 3.5k (bad) to just over 8k (crit) with things averaging out at around 6k. If I need an instant heal, I can throw a Holy Shock at the tank and if it crits for 7.5k, I can the throw an instant FoL heal somewhere in the range above (11k-15.5k instantly).

I dont usually have a problem healing in Ulduar because I have the backup to go with me in the healing stakes.

By: admin

admin — Tue, 19 May 2009 13:24:57 +0000

From what I’ve heard, they don’t stack Choadbringer. In fact, I believe they don’t even stack with Righeous Fury, Blessing of Sanctuary, or Glyph of Divine Plea. However, Sacred Shield and Power Word: Shield do stack with them since they absorb a fixed amount instead of a percentage.

By: Choadbringer

Choadbringer — Tue, 19 May 2009 12:23:35 +0000

Question. for Divine Sacrifice and Hand of Sacrifice. Do these stack when I cast Bubble, and then both of them. Very applicable to raids and also Arena that I am in a lot now.

By: Choadbringer

Choadbringer — Tue, 19 May 2009 12:16:14 +0000

All good points. all good comments. I am not even raiding in ulduar at all at the moment because i prefer the haste/crit combination. I am going to get my greedy hands on the head and shoulder gear at some point that have the crit/haste combination. and when the guild goes to hard mode on XT I will get the Breastplate of the Devoted. But until then eh, I go pvp and level alts.

guess the real issue is whether the umms and wows i get when people see my 26k mana pool unbuffed is worth it when i could be maximising my pathetic 2.1k spell power.

hmm… not yet…

By: Lantone

Lantone — Sat, 16 May 2009 17:36:12 +0000

Heya peeps, nice posts all. It’s amazing to see how diverse us palas can be. We in Veritas have yet to crack much further in ulduar than Kologran (continuing on tonight) but it’s an ongoing test and trial = more fun. Just want to wish all GL.

Now for the real reason I’m posting…. Balancing stats have always been part of a part of lvling and even evolving. Not having enough spell power means that our heals wont be enough, not enough intel means that you wont be able to dish out our vast arsonal of utilities, not enough crit means that one of our primary holy talents becomes useless. Those are just a few things that speaks about who we are.

I dont believe any class has ever been cut and dry. Stack spellpower! no no .. stack intel!! I can’t blame anyone for saying that but that doesn’t mean I need to follow. It’s not my playstyle or even how our guild is.

@Bizurn - Yes I see that as well but on one side there’s +crit/+mp5 gear. By passing you’ve prob. helped your guild or some other people if it was a pug. /cheer

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In my opinion, and from what I’ve seen, Holy Paladins have all the tools we need to excel in 10-man Ulduar. But if you’re having trouble, you may have to change the way you think about Holy Paladin healing.

—- Yea, this is part of adapting and growing …. we have the capability.

The author was getting at a very good point. Some people are reading and believing that all or most of what’s best in theorycrafting is what’s best in practice without going deeper into why. You keep people alive with smart healing choices (and the tools to back it up).