Comments on: Choosing a Loot System for your Guild

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By: Paladox

Paladox — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:03:59 +0000

Hey,

Great blog and alot of good stuff

Was wondering about the webdkp system your guild use. Is this something that is just for in-house use or is it possible to find your setup somewhere to make it easier for a new guild to start up with using dkp as you do in your guild?

Cheers!

By: admin

admin — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:11:05 +0000

Hey Houndish. We’ve been using this system now for a long time and it works well, however we don’t run with pugs any longer. Its definitely a better system without pugs (although I bet all systems are better without pugs). We’re using an Add-on called WebDKP to track the DKP. We’ve modified the source code to include a button that automatically calculates and performs the weekly decay. Our members can find out their own DKP by whispering !DKP to the raid leader, and also our guild website actually imports WebDKP files (they are .lua files) into the site and posts it. The website host we’re using is Wowstead.com.

My only advice is to decide beforehand, communicate it beforehand, then stick with it. BoEs should probably be rolled on the same as BoPs. I’ve found that’s usually best. If someone wants a T10 piece, they need to save up their DKP. We have everyone who wants something do a /roll then check the DKP values of everyone who rolled. If two people have the same DKP then the person with the highest roll wins the item and loses the DKP. If only one person wants it and its an upgrade for their main spec, they lose DKP. No one usually loses DKP for off-spec items.

Its kind of up to your best judgement too and whatever your guild decides. If the people in your raid are okay with something, that’s all that matters.

By: Houndish

Houndish — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:03:53 +0000

Oh hey, sorry forgot something, what are the additional rules you hinted at in regards to BoE’s, if one guy wants it, etc. Also tier upgrade marks are always a problem, should priority go to an existing t10 wearer? (most say yes) But then what about the guy who says “I was waiting for the mark to GET the piece since the basic is a downgrade.” (valid…) What do you do?

By: Houndish

Houndish — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:53:01 +0000

Hey man love your site. I’m a holy paly in your exact same former predicament. Inherited a talented long running… 20man raid lol and am having to pug a few non-guildies each week. We’re fairly talented though and are clearing the first wing easily. The next fights become problematic because we seem to always have SOMEONE who is just learning fight… I digress.

I want to use DKP as well and your method is better than one I could come up with, my question is, how do you keep track of the DKP itself (hosting server? addon? pen and paper?) and how do you make it visible to your raiders? I’m trying to avoid the method that requires a host, but want it to be visible to non guildies.

I’m DLin QuickDKP atm to try out. Any help greatly appreciated.

By: admin

admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:27:27 +0000

Hey Wickii, loot council is usually a very dangerous system unless you’re always running with the same people, they are all good friends, and the loot council itself is very fair. For example, what if a best in slot item drops? Do you give it to the guy that has a ton of gear and has been coming to every raid for 2 months getting no gear and just waiting for that one item to drop? Or do you give it to the new guy with crappy gear that the item is a huge upgrade for? Keep in mind, you don’t really know if the new guy will ever raid with you again.

This is an extreme example, but you’ll also need to make some close-call decisions where its unclear who the item should go to. What if the undergeared player is on an alt? What if the item is for an off-spec? What if they’re using that off-spec during the raid? In general, you don’t want to give all your gear to your undergeared players because your geared players will go to a new guild where they CAN get some gear. Then your guild will always be stuck with the crappiest geared people and it will never progress. You’ll be constantly farming Naxx/Ulduar for your undergeared people and once they get geared, they’ll move on to a new guild.

If you do stay with loot council, make sure to have some strict rules in place for who gets what in each situation. The worst part about loot council is that people will get upset at you personally for the decisions you make, rather than getting upset at the system. People generally play WoW to gear up their own character, they don’t play so they can gear up other people’s characters, so you need to make sure that everyone is getting gear and you need to reward your most loyal and best players in order to keep them around.

By: Wickii

Wickii — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:06:05 +0000

My guild on Boulderfist have jsut started trying a custom loot system ive heard it been called loot council and some others but it really rewards the lower geared people that are coming to raids(sometimes even helping with strats n that) generally learning and that …. so say there are 2 ppl that /roll on the same item i get them to link me there item in that slot and me and the other officers reveiw the pros and cons for each person to get it… so yeh its obviously going to go to the person that will see the most gain aka if 1 is going to gain +40 int and +20 stam but the others is only increasing by a little then the most needing person will get it
Hope more ppl start learning this (its not how gud they are in gear its how gud they arent)