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	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Therelos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therelos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Blood elf Holy Paladin Exodar realm.

I would just like to say I agree 100%. I am always top heals very rarely am I not. My philosophy to healing as a pali Is beacon my tank and heal everyone else. It's quite simply and when I am doing that I seem to be able to heal the raid fine There is always support with the raid druid or shamen, but for the most part I do over 30-40% of the heals in raids. The only time another class can keep up with me is a really good druid healer. And almost never in a 10 man do they compete only in a 25man when there HoTing 25 people up. But I would say 2 good paladins could easily heal toc 10 man with realatively no problems except for maybe the faction champion fight. That is all I wanted to say ty for the post it's awesome to see other holy pali's can raid heal and think we are a very versitle class. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Blood elf Holy Paladin Exodar realm.</p>
<p>I would just like to say I agree 100%. I am always top heals very rarely am I not. My philosophy to healing as a pali Is beacon my tank and heal everyone else. It&#8217;s quite simply and when I am doing that I seem to be able to heal the raid fine There is always support with the raid druid or shamen, but for the most part I do over 30-40% of the heals in raids. The only time another class can keep up with me is a really good druid healer. And almost never in a 10 man do they compete only in a 25man when there HoTing 25 people up. But I would say 2 good paladins could easily heal toc 10 man with realatively no problems except for maybe the faction champion fight. That is all I wanted to say ty for the post it&#8217;s awesome to see other holy pali&#8217;s can raid heal and think we are a very versitle class. <img src='http://www.holypaladin.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ulises</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy your post and website, thank you because it has helped me clear many questions.

When I see post about Holy Paladins unable to raid heal I honestly Laugh Out Loud. I can tell you from my own experience I can easily heal a raid without a problem and the fun part is I come mainly first on meters; I used to pay close attention to meters not to be the best but to ensure I was offering the best possible heals to my group.
I love my Holy Paladin because it is fun for me and I try to to listen what others say, after all I am the one playing it :)
I do believe there is no such a thing has this character is better than this, it is mostly what you feel is better for you and enjoy playing it.

Thank you again for the great posts
Crazy Holy Paladin :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy your post and website, thank you because it has helped me clear many questions.</p>
<p>When I see post about Holy Paladins unable to raid heal I honestly Laugh Out Loud. I can tell you from my own experience I can easily heal a raid without a problem and the fun part is I come mainly first on meters; I used to pay close attention to meters not to be the best but to ensure I was offering the best possible heals to my group.<br />
I love my Holy Paladin because it is fun for me and I try to to listen what others say, after all I am the one playing it <img src='http://www.holypaladin.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I do believe there is no such a thing has this character is better than this, it is mostly what you feel is better for you and enjoy playing it.</p>
<p>Thank you again for the great posts<br />
Crazy Holy Paladin <img src='http://www.holypaladin.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cameirus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameirus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've not done many PvE raid yet, but I have healed in many many Wintergrasp raid groups. And the raid wide damage does not come more spread out than that. Never had a problem keeping mulitiple targets up, you just need a good UI to keep track of things.
Started to hit naxx now and healing multiple targets is not much of an issue, you just need to corordinate with the other healers (linked healing UI) so you don't overheal the same target and waste mana, only times I've had an issue is where healing is thought of as competitive and people try to top the meters. Meters have no place in healing, leave that for the dps. Its more important to do a smaller amount of correctly targeted healing, than snipe a few heals to top the charts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not done many PvE raid yet, but I have healed in many many Wintergrasp raid groups. And the raid wide damage does not come more spread out than that. Never had a problem keeping mulitiple targets up, you just need a good UI to keep track of things.<br />
Started to hit naxx now and healing multiple targets is not much of an issue, you just need to corordinate with the other healers (linked healing UI) so you don&#8217;t overheal the same target and waste mana, only times I&#8217;ve had an issue is where healing is thought of as competitive and people try to top the meters. Meters have no place in healing, leave that for the dps. Its more important to do a smaller amount of correctly targeted healing, than snipe a few heals to top the charts.</p>
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		<title>By: Osmeric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osmeric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; holy shock which is mana inefficient &lt;/I&gt;

In many cases, Holy Shock will actually be free!

If you are standing near a mob and are autoattacking it, and you have SoW on, a fast weapon, and some haste buffs, your swing timer will advance during the GCD after the Holy Shock and you will get a whack in.   This will regen 4% of your total mana if SoW procs, which will more than pay for a Holy Shock's expected cost (after illumination and meta gem returns.)  SoW procs can occur once every four seconds, so if you are otherwise constantly healing you will get a proc for every HS cast (since they are at least 5 seconds apart).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> holy shock which is mana inefficient </i></p>
<p>In many cases, Holy Shock will actually be free!</p>
<p>If you are standing near a mob and are autoattacking it, and you have SoW on, a fast weapon, and some haste buffs, your swing timer will advance during the GCD after the Holy Shock and you will get a whack in.   This will regen 4% of your total mana if SoW procs, which will more than pay for a Holy Shock&#8217;s expected cost (after illumination and meta gem returns.)  SoW procs can occur once every four seconds, so if you are otherwise constantly healing you will get a proc for every HS cast (since they are at least 5 seconds apart).</p>
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		<title>By: Qwnmelissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qwnmelissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 06:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I found my soulmate!

I recently switched raiding guilds, am mainly raiding Ulduar 25 with 5-6 other healers, I was told Id be MT healing spamming HL- I was like "ahh crap" I have a play style exactly as discribed in this post. The idea of HL spamming MT made me cringe, but I was prepared to have to make that switch and I happily redesigned my play style. I changed some gear and gems and enchants, built my mana pool up to 25k and brought my sp down from 2450 to 2100. I was bored. I was overhealing 70%. I was watching dps die when I knew I could have got them safe enough for raid healers to fill back up. I was not be utilized to my potential. I have since gone back to my 21k mana pool ( I have never ever been oom because I manage my mana efficently and heal intelligently.)2400sp and am once again a happy and effective "I can save him!" healer. I did find that 2 Holy pallys on a tank - one a happy HL spammer the other a beacon loving FL spamming holy shock junkie make an excellent MT healing team. The FL spammer can also throw out some quick life saving heals to the raid while still staying focused mainly on the tank.

Now the rare occasion I am the only Holy Paladin and MT healing, I will need to HL spam, I swich out librams and trinkets and switch flask's to wisdom and Im able to chill out and press one button that fight.

I am so thrilled that there is another holy pally out there who thinks the way that I do. Its so good to not be alone :)

Now..theory crafting tools for gear.. found any that dont concentrate on the HL spamathon we have these days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I found my soulmate!</p>
<p>I recently switched raiding guilds, am mainly raiding Ulduar 25 with 5-6 other healers, I was told Id be MT healing spamming HL- I was like &#8220;ahh crap&#8221; I have a play style exactly as discribed in this post. The idea of HL spamming MT made me cringe, but I was prepared to have to make that switch and I happily redesigned my play style. I changed some gear and gems and enchants, built my mana pool up to 25k and brought my sp down from 2450 to 2100. I was bored. I was overhealing 70%. I was watching dps die when I knew I could have got them safe enough for raid healers to fill back up. I was not be utilized to my potential. I have since gone back to my 21k mana pool ( I have never ever been oom because I manage my mana efficently and heal intelligently.)2400sp and am once again a happy and effective &#8220;I can save him!&#8221; healer. I did find that 2 Holy pallys on a tank - one a happy HL spammer the other a beacon loving FL spamming holy shock junkie make an excellent MT healing team. The FL spammer can also throw out some quick life saving heals to the raid while still staying focused mainly on the tank.</p>
<p>Now the rare occasion I am the only Holy Paladin and MT healing, I will need to HL spam, I swich out librams and trinkets and switch flask&#8217;s to wisdom and Im able to chill out and press one button that fight.</p>
<p>I am so thrilled that there is another holy pally out there who thinks the way that I do. Its so good to not be alone <img src='http://www.holypaladin.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now..theory crafting tools for gear.. found any that dont concentrate on the HL spamathon we have these days?</p>
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		<title>By: Doxa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doxa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that paladins can raid heal.  The question in my mind, however, is whether or not they should raid heal if there are other options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that paladins can raid heal.  The question in my mind, however, is whether or not they should raid heal if there are other options.</p>
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		<title>By: Flamemagic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flamemagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i play both a paladin and a mage my mage is 80 my paladin is not... but i work with the healers and dps in my guild one thing that i cant stand is when people say a healer should just dps... the metters dont count dont look at them unless its to see what move ur using. i see alot of the time people use there hots and small healers MT and OT healers use there greater heals... i no theres better ways of doing this so i started a healer i had the most question about. PALADIN. gosh this class drives me nuts. i went around and read almost very fourm and found out that paladins are the best in the healing class as long as there spec and geared (compared to other healers there dont have to be as well as geared) i have also come across alot of questions and u have answered them very well

Flame 80 mage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i play both a paladin and a mage my mage is 80 my paladin is not&#8230; but i work with the healers and dps in my guild one thing that i cant stand is when people say a healer should just dps&#8230; the metters dont count dont look at them unless its to see what move ur using. i see alot of the time people use there hots and small healers MT and OT healers use there greater heals&#8230; i no theres better ways of doing this so i started a healer i had the most question about. PALADIN. gosh this class drives me nuts. i went around and read almost very fourm and found out that paladins are the best in the healing class as long as there spec and geared (compared to other healers there dont have to be as well as geared) i have also come across alot of questions and u have answered them very well</p>
<p>Flame 80 mage</p>
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		<title>By: Kano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I play a Holy Paladin too, and just begin to alter raid healing with a Resto Druid I just leveled 80. Although my guild doesn't try much in Ulduar (just some attemps on bugged Ingis last week), we rush Naxx10 and 25 every week, with mainly pick up healers ('coz we're low on healers ¬¬). As the other guild healer refuses to organize I am assigned to the task of organizing healers.

Both in 10 and 25, I always assign a MT healer, at least, more in 25. It depends on the boss, but I assign nearly always the other healers to raid AND MT healing. What I mean by that assignment is that those healers maintain their HoTs, shields and bacons on the MT and then raid heal. I doesn't mean the MT healers cannot raid heal, more like the exact opposite, it gives the MT healers the chance to to something more fun by helping some bit over the raid. I have to mention that my pally is always on MT healing (I am ahouted at if not XP) and it works really fine. I won't say we never wipe, but I can say it's quite always because of moving errors (yes, picking up people for Thaddius 25 is a BIG error).

On the other hand, I can compare my capacities to raid healing with my pally and my tree, and, besides the gear huge difference it's tons more efficient to top 5 persons with 5 quick and big direct heals than with some WG, rejuv and small direct heals.

I've read in one of the comments that Holy shock is mana inefficient. I totally disagree: first, consider your holy crit percentage. I personnaly love criting and because of that, have a 40% holy crit. But I think I have overdone it and will try getting more sp instead, lowering to 35%. The you have your T7 crit bonus: 45%. But don't forget your talents! 6% more crit on HL and shock. So we get a total of 51% crit. So half your shocks are absolutely amazing direct heals: 7-8-9ks for ridiculous cost (284), and of course, instant. Not forgetting the other half, healing 4-5ks and costing 711 mana (on my pally). I always give a look at my recount healing stats after boss encounters and always get crit statistics similar to the probabilities, and after doing some math over these probabilities, I get a cost of mana of ~500. Wich is not so far from the healing per mana point of the FoL, wich is super mana efficient. It may not be the most mana efficient healing skill in the game, but IT IS mana efficient.
I, like the admin, am a fan of holy shock, and I can't really understand pallies saying it's unuseful.

I think I've written a lot for my first commentary in here, so I'll get going.
I visit your blog twice a day, I think it's nice and useful, keep going!
Sorry for my english, if there're errors, it's because of me being spanish ;)
Good bye ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I play a Holy Paladin too, and just begin to alter raid healing with a Resto Druid I just leveled 80. Although my guild doesn&#8217;t try much in Ulduar (just some attemps on bugged Ingis last week), we rush Naxx10 and 25 every week, with mainly pick up healers (&#8217;coz we&#8217;re low on healers ¬¬). As the other guild healer refuses to organize I am assigned to the task of organizing healers.</p>
<p>Both in 10 and 25, I always assign a MT healer, at least, more in 25. It depends on the boss, but I assign nearly always the other healers to raid AND MT healing. What I mean by that assignment is that those healers maintain their HoTs, shields and bacons on the MT and then raid heal. I doesn&#8217;t mean the MT healers cannot raid heal, more like the exact opposite, it gives the MT healers the chance to to something more fun by helping some bit over the raid. I have to mention that my pally is always on MT healing (I am ahouted at if not XP) and it works really fine. I won&#8217;t say we never wipe, but I can say it&#8217;s quite always because of moving errors (yes, picking up people for Thaddius 25 is a BIG error).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I can compare my capacities to raid healing with my pally and my tree, and, besides the gear huge difference it&#8217;s tons more efficient to top 5 persons with 5 quick and big direct heals than with some WG, rejuv and small direct heals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read in one of the comments that Holy shock is mana inefficient. I totally disagree: first, consider your holy crit percentage. I personnaly love criting and because of that, have a 40% holy crit. But I think I have overdone it and will try getting more sp instead, lowering to 35%. The you have your T7 crit bonus: 45%. But don&#8217;t forget your talents! 6% more crit on HL and shock. So we get a total of 51% crit. So half your shocks are absolutely amazing direct heals: 7-8-9ks for ridiculous cost (284), and of course, instant. Not forgetting the other half, healing 4-5ks and costing 711 mana (on my pally). I always give a look at my recount healing stats after boss encounters and always get crit statistics similar to the probabilities, and after doing some math over these probabilities, I get a cost of mana of ~500. Wich is not so far from the healing per mana point of the FoL, wich is super mana efficient. It may not be the most mana efficient healing skill in the game, but IT IS mana efficient.<br />
I, like the admin, am a fan of holy shock, and I can&#8217;t really understand pallies saying it&#8217;s unuseful.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve written a lot for my first commentary in here, so I&#8217;ll get going.<br />
I visit your blog twice a day, I think it&#8217;s nice and useful, keep going!<br />
Sorry for my english, if there&#8217;re errors, it&#8217;s because of me being spanish <img src='http://www.holypaladin.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Good bye ^^</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's why you're not the only one healing the tank, Troubl.  If you are the only one healing the tank, you should use Holy Light and Beacon someone else (depending on the fight).  Although, I've actually found many fights where I can actually keep up the tank with Beacon alone.  It depends on your tank and the fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why you&#8217;re not the only one healing the tank, Troubl.  If you are the only one healing the tank, you should use Holy Light and Beacon someone else (depending on the fight).  Although, I&#8217;ve actually found many fights where I can actually keep up the tank with Beacon alone.  It depends on your tank and the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Troubl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troubl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my clear problem with beaconing a tank and raid healing is how healing ineffectual your healing options are.  You can choose between flash of light that is low HPS, holy shock which is mana inefficient, and holy light that is high HPS. In a fight where you need to heal the tank little flashes aren't going to cut it tanks need high HP5ing spells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my clear problem with beaconing a tank and raid healing is how healing ineffectual your healing options are.  You can choose between flash of light that is low HPS, holy shock which is mana inefficient, and holy light that is high HPS. In a fight where you need to heal the tank little flashes aren&#8217;t going to cut it tanks need high HP5ing spells.</p>
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